Step-by-Step System For Getting Web Design Clients

November 29, 2009

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If you’ve been a reader of this blog for awhile then you’ve probably heard of  me talk about my Grandfather. He pretty much gave me my start by teaching me web design when I was 14.

Too bad I didn’t take it seriously until almost 10 years later…

Well, after I dropped out of high school I took all the normal odd jobs that a high school dropout would get. I worked construction as an apprentice framer, I worked for the city as a hole digger and cinder block relocator, I worked at Wendy’s as a burger flipper, and I worked in some boiler rooms as a telemarketer.

It was as a telemarketer that my childhood entrepreneur started resurfacing.

I used to sell candy and juice boxes out of my school bag in middle school. Instead of waiting for the bullies to steal my stuff I just went up to them with shaky knees and said “If you help me keep my bag safe at recess I’ll give you free stuff everyday.”

Fun times! But back to the story…

So as a telemarketer I started getting the entrepreneurial bug again. I started reading sales books and I started moving up in the ranks on every sales floor I was apart off. I even got to move out of those shady boiler room jobs and into respectable sales positions.

During my first year of selling industrial lighting I was crushing all the 5yr reps in the company. However, I started getting tired of making only 35% and I felt like I was doing all the work. Which is why I started thinking of what I could sell on my own to make 100% like when I used to sell candy out of my bag.

The light bulb above my head went off and I said “I’ll open up a web design business with the skills my grandfather taught me!”

To spare you from all the gruesome details of a man who quit his job to early and had to feed his family mayonnaise sandwiches, I’ll tell you that my idea didn’t work for the first 5 months.

No income for the first 5 months until I figured out a system for getting web design clients like clockwork. In fact it’s such a killer system that I’ve recently been asked to be a co-writer of a book being published in 2010 about this system (which is what made me wanna blog about it too).

The System

Forgive me if this seems kind of short from here, but it’s a pretty easy system. Please don’t mistake it’s brevity and simplicity for less effectiveness. Sometimes it’s the so-simple-why-didn’t-i-think-of-that systems that are so great.

  1. First you are going to look for some local businesses that have websites. Which is much easier today then it was when I started this in 2005. Now you can search Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, and many other sites.Once you find the businesses with the websites find 5 or 6 that look like they were designed a long time ago or could really use some improvements. This shouldn’t be too hard since most local business websites are horrendous.
  2. Next you are going to pick one of them and re-design their website (or higher someone on scriptlance for $50 – $150). Make sure you take notes as you redesign the site about your reasons for different colors, navigation, buttons, functions, and anything else you change. You’ll need those notes in just a minute.
  3. Now that you are finished you call up that company and say… “Hi, my name is Justin Brooke and I’ve redesigned your web site for free and I’d like to show it to someone. Who would that be?”
    The gatekeeper won’t be used to this response and will usually be confused enough to just pass you on to the owner/CEO or the right person to talk too. If not just ask for a way that you can make sure he see’s your re-design without taking up his time like an email, fax, or OMG “Snail Mail.” Just make sure you get a way to get your design in front of the decision maker.
  4. Once you get the decision maker on the phone you are going to introduce yourself and use this little script that I perfected over the years. “Hey Bob, thanks for taking the call this will be real quick because I know you’re busy. I’ve redesigned your website and I’d like to show it to you. This won’t cost you a thing and you are under no obligation to buy. I just want to show it to you and if you like it you can buy it. If you don’t then we go our separate ways with no harm done. Would Tuesday or Thursday be best?”

That’s it…

Just keep in mind that you aren’t selling anything on this phone call, just getting an appointment. After you ask for the Tuesday or Thursday… SHUT UP! Silence is the strongest sales tool you’ll ever experience because it forces the person on the other end of the call to make a decision.

Seriously, I don’t care if you have to wait 45 minutes, DO NOT be the first person to talk or you will relive their pressure and possible lose the appointment. People are much more comfortable with saying yes then they are saying no so usually they agree to the appointment.

After all it’s free, they have no obligation to buy, and you’ve just redesigned their website… They want what you have.

Closing The Deal At The Appointment

We would then setup the appointment and I would either show them via remote desktop sharing (webinar) software or in person. I would explain all the reasons for my changes and the benefits of the re-design (those notes I told you to take). They would naturally ask how much for the design and I would start off with $2,500 but say that I can work with their budget if they needed a sliding scale.

Then, I would say that I needed a decision in a week though because otherwise I would have to delete theirs. That I only get paid when I sell one of these re-designs, so I can’t afford to wait on them forever.

The urgency along with the sliding scale discount really helped nail down the sales and create impulse buys. Finally I told them that I accept checks through my bank and credit cards thru Paypal.

This system worked just fine until I ended up pursuing other interests like blogging and information marketing. Feel free to use this system exactly as I’ve mentioned to create your own web design business.

What Would I Change Today

If I were to pick this business back up, and I’m very tempted too, then I would most likely outsource the whole thing.

I would hire designers from Scriptlance and pay them either weekly or per project. Then I would hire sales reps from Craigslist and pay them on a commission only structure. The designers would get about 25% of the project and the sales rep would get 25% for each design he sold. Leaving me with 50% for just managing the business.

If the sales rep sold more then 4 designs in a month then I would give him a bonus 10% on his sales to give him an extra incentive to perform at his best.

Well I hope you’ve liked this little peak inside how I do things. If you are the type that likes the “Offline gold” or “Offline to Online Riches” reports out there then you’re really loving this, because this is the real deal.

This is how I put food on the table for quite awhile when I was just starting out.

If you have any questions or just want to tell me you liked this post then please do in the comments down below. I’ll stick around for a few days answering every comment.

P.S. If you’d like to use this blog post on your blog, in your membership site, or info products then please do so but with full credit to myself and a link back to the original post.

Go Bigger,
Justin Brooke

“All It Takes Is Action And Action Builds Confidence”

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  • nuwaiza
    I really like your story.I wish I could do what you sre doing now
  • wow Justin... I love it!

    I am currently doing web-design part-time and I am now looking for some new clients.

    my partner and I like to use wordpress as the CMS and we charge $1,500. we also have our own servers so we offer them hosting.

    not sure if it has been asked already, but do you offer any minor redesigns with that?

    Thanks Justin!

    Jason
  • This is amazing! I have a blog advising people on business ventures available and it's great to see webdesign promotion in such a creative light!
  • I am adding this to my blog! Awesome content and excellent idea! It is really hard for people to say no after you have redone their site. Nice job here!
  • Justin Brooke
    Yeah I've had some battles with some web designers about my techniques being unfair, demeaning, and even desperate. People hate anyone who is willing to outwork them for a dollar. But people who are willing to out work someone for a dollar are pretty happy about it ;-)
  • Justin,

    I need some serious help with asking for $2,500 for a web site.
    You can find tons of people all around (craigslist, Google Adwords advertisers "website design") that can do some very nice ones with logo designs for $199, $297, $495 etc...

    Wouldn't business owners know about those and say $2,500 is way too much???

    As a recovering programmer, I don't have any hangups earning a healthy amount for fun work, but are companies really willing to pay that for websites these days?

    For some examples of what types of websites sell, can you email me some websites of local businesses that have paid you over $1000 for your work? (I'm in Oregon so I'm not looking to compete with you, and I wouldn't even try ;-)

    Also, many thanks for all your help, contributions, and inspiration!
  • I understand your skepticism being new to the industry. However, you must know that if I was in the habit of writing blog posts full of lies and then emailing thousands of readers to come read it... Someone would eventually oust me right?

    Are they paying $2,500? Yes! And a whole lot more then that! Call any local web design firm in your average yellow pages and ask for a quote.

    I've done it and I've been quoted as high as $15,000 by companies I knew were getting lots and lots of customers (they are on the news a lot).

    Here's an example of a customer who has paid me in excess of $2,500 http://get-financed.org - There are a lot more but I don't want to expose all of my customers due to some less scrupulous marketers that read my blog.
  • Hey Justin you are amazing you have just open up your mind and spread into this post i really appreciate your work and it's good if you get higher sale you must have to distribute to your 3rd party to put their more affords.
  • Hey Justin you are amazing you have just open up your mind and spread into this post i really appreciate your work and it's good if you get higher sale you must have to distribute to your 3rd party to put their more affords.
  • Hey Justin!
    I'm a graphic designer ... the first part of your method above is what other designers call SPEC WORK. Check out: http://www.no-spec.com/

    Most designers are against it because according to them it damages the industry and demeans the value of good design. Now what do I think about it?

    This year I've learned that a sale is a sale, and market demand is market demand. A designer simply needs to compete in first closing the sale, and then second in creating "good design".. Unfortunately, most designers don't know a thing about selling. Ironically, that's what we're hired to do. I personally don't do spec work, but only because I don't need to right now. I'm not closed minded about the idea, and your method is a different way of doing it.

    Most people whine when they can't compete :) The winners shut up and crush it.
  • Justin Brooke
    I don't really think about the sizes of the company... All I think about is whether I can help them or not.
  • Anthony M
    Hi Justin, great post. I was wondering what size companies should I select to do this for?100k-500k in sales. What seemed to work best for you?
  • Art Derfall
    I think it's important that the site will be easy for them to change text and photos. Weebly.com (free), readywebsites.com (about $10 per month) and builderspot.com (about $20 per month) are three templated sites that do the job.

    Readywebsites.com and Builderspot.com are from the same firm and both have great stock photos and tutorials. Unlike many firms, you get 10 or 15 days free with a live site to show a potential client on their computer or your laptop.
    You can charge for a change in the header.

    ART
  • Justin - What percentage of people would schedule the appointment? How many would actually close? I think you system looks really sound, just would like to get an idea of close rate so that I set the right expectations. Thanks

    Brian
    .-= Brian´s last blog ..Don’t Forget About Craigslist For Generating Leads – Part 2 =-.
  • Justin Brooke
    I hear a lot of people worrying about the product not selling, but that really isn't something you should be worrying about.

    Every product ever created under the sun has the possibility of not selling. We don't stop creating product though, we first try it and see. Then if it doesn't sell we ask why not and try again.

    Get out there and giterdone... A horse in the stable never runs!
  • Thanks for sharing your system. I'll give it a try :)
    .-= Chee Kui´s last blog ..Back On Track =-.
  • Hey Justin,

    This is really great. If I was to go that rout though I would have to do it the outsourcing way since I have no design skills :(.

    But I also thing this could apply to other stuff as well. More like an arbitrary system. So I get jobs for say $x+ 1 and then sell it back for $x so the +1 would be my profits. :)
  • As always, another great post Justin!
    What an awesome system, I'm going to try this myself this week!
    You are such an inspiration...Thank you for taking the time to share so much valuable information with us!!
    .-= Dovinea´s last blog ..Updating A Blog: How Often Should You Do It? =-.
  • Ray
    If you don't have much experience on WebSite Design, I guess you would have to do some research how much Certain WebSites Are Going For. What is the best way to research what websites are going for. I am just curious what websites are worth $2500, Do you create Joomla, WordPress Or Membership Websites. I would like a little bit more insight on that, Justin.

    Thanks,
    Ray
  • Justin Brooke
    Hey Ray, you would also have to know how to build websites and if you knew how to build websites you would know about how much to charge for them. I'm not saying you do or don't but pretty much everyone just starts out at a price they feel is worth it themselves.

    I started out at $649 and then slowly moved up to $2,500. You'll know if your price is too high because they'll tell you. You'll know if it's too low if everyone buys it very quickly with no argument.

    Don't try to over think this, if you know how to build nice websites then start doing some redesigns for people. Then call them up and ask them if they want to see it. When you show it to them tell them a price you would like them to pay you.

    You'll figure out the details as you go along.
  • Hello there Justin,

    Thank you for this very informative post. I wanted to personally vouch for this technique as an effective way to get started in the business. I made the mistake initially, when I began 3 years back, of approaching individuals - entrepreneurs and mom and pop outfits - who couldn't afford to pay much more than a few hundred dollars for a new website. This meant that my returns were waaa-ay too low to sustain this as a method of marketing. Your technique of approaching larger, established companies and charging them a premium design rate is a much better idea.

    One question for you - could you please elaborate a little more on the concept of the 'sliding scale' you mentioned? My scale usually slides UP! As in, 'if you want a promo video, then it's this much extra; if you want a custom logo then it's this much extra...' Are you saying you added in all of the extras to the initial draft website and then let the owner decide what they wished to take out, so your scale slides DOWN? Wasn't that a lot of extra work for you?

    Thank you again for such a great post. I do enjoy the materials you produce for us.
  • Justin Brooke
    Hey Andrea, yes my scale did slide down usually. Reason was the work was already done and now I just needed to get paid for it. Sometimes I had to go all the way down to $150 (rare) but it was better then not getting anything at all. Later on I would follow up with upsells like SEO or Video.
  • @Justin,

    You have a pretty neat business plan here. I always tried to figure out a way to get new customers but never had a good idea like the one you explained in this article.
    I've been following your methods and they work pretty good.

    thanks for this informative article.
  • Justin,

    Thanks for the great tips here. It reminds me of me how I started my own web design business 3 years ago. I started with no money down, no capital startup and little knowledge on web design industry.

    But thanks god I have managed to go through all the ups and down all these years, but I believe that there is still alot money to make in web design industry. Almost every single day, bunch of people need new websites for their business, not even talking about those old age websites that need redesign!

    One thing I learned the most from this industry is customer service. I love the most when you serve your clietn well, they will keep looking for you for more websites to design and more clients referred to you!!!
  • Jan
    Hey Justin

    yeah thats totally true of course! you're selling the finished product. Good way to look at it.

    J
    .-= Jan´s last blog ..Increase Your Google Search Engine Ranking And Explode Your Online Business Results =-.
  • @Carson

    "My question is, What if I redesign about 50 sites for different companies and none of them bite?"

    If the first 5 say no, you could offer them the website for free in return for a killer testimonial on what a good job you've done. That will prove to future customers that you know what you're doing.
    .-= Mr Article Marketing´s last blog ..Article Submission Tool – Which Is The Best? =-.
  • Sounds like a plan - people do get genuinely shocked when you've shown that you've done the work already. It's totally unexpected, and it's something no-one else would do.

    In fact, they probably won't believe you - thinking: "ah well, he's just going to show me a website template that was already done".

    Once you've shown them that you've put personal effort into a re-design of their company website, they'll be bowled over.

    Another idea - why not get some low competition long-tail keywords ranked for them and offer them a marketing package alongside the re-design? I'm sure no-one is going to complain about extra customers. It can be super easy to rank for some local long-tail keywords - they'll be well impressed to see their new site in #1 position...
    .-= Mr Article Marketing´s last blog ..Article Submission Tool – Which Is The Best? =-.
  • Justin Brooke
    Hey Mr. Article Marketer, that is a good strategy that I usually save for an upsell service but didn't want to get too complicated for some folks. We did that for our local MAC store and got a free 21" iMac out of the deal.
  • Hey Justin,

    Been following you for a while and I want to get into this Offline Gold thing. But I want it to be more automated. Your system sounds like a good business model.

    My question is, What if I redesign about 50 sites for different companies and none of them bite?

    Have you ever ran into that problem?
  • Justin Brooke
    Hey Carson, it is a possibility whenever you sell anything that people might not buy what you are selling. However, I've found that when you have a good product to sell then it happens much less. When I wasrunnibg this business I was able to sell about 70% of my redesigns or about 3 out of 4. I wouldn't have kept going all the way to 50 redesigns with no sales though. If I didn't sell the first 4 then I would have stopped to reasses my plan.
  • It works but the flaw is if you waste the $150 getting it designed first and they don't accept it so you need to have a sure way of not losing out yourself. I think the best idea is to do a reversal and get the appointment done first but that's just me. Also Justin I can relate to the entrepreneurial kick from telemarketing as that's when I got my first re-shot of the entrepreneurial mind.
    .-= Mark´s last blog ..Checking Your Hard Disk for Errors Using Windows Disk Error Checker =-.
  • Justin that was a great post man. I can't wait to read the book that you are going to be apart of.
    .-= Jimmy Massey´s last blog ..Take Action!!! =-.
  • Jan
    Nice system Justin.

    According to pretty much "all" online marketers, offline small business "coaching" about their online presence seems a real trend nowadays. However, its always hard to know if the real trend isnt simply selling such programmes to lesser known/newbie marketers and say this it is easy to make a quick buck doing offline stuff. So...I like the fact you simply outline a very clear system, and it really looks incredibly logical and acceptable :-)

    But dont you still need some kind of credibility? Previous projects? Webdesign diploma :-) Faking it? Or is it all about confidence ?

    Thanks

    Jan
    .-= Jan ´s last blog ..Increase Your Google Search Engine Ranking And Explode Your Online Business Results =-.
  • Justin Brooke
    Hey Jan, when I started I was a high school dropout with no previous experience. You aren't really selling yourself with this system, you are selling the re-design you just made.
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